Here is a very nice dark brown Stubben Siegfried CS Extra. The CS stands for the half deep seat and the extra is for the extra long 16" forward flap. The gullet measures 5-1/2" dot to dot and is Stubben's M/W. The seat measure 17" but due to depth of the seat, I think this would be suitable for someone who typically rides in a 17-1/2". This saddle is in fantastic condition showing just some light wear marks. This beautiful, modern Stubben saddle. The color is Ebony which is dark brown. Will ship quickly and securely! Ask any questions.