17" Ovation with a wide tree that measures 5" from dot to dot. The flaps measure 14" from the stirrup bar down. The flap is slightly forward. This saddle is in excellent condition with the exception of some minor damage to the front piping (see photo) due to being scraped on a fence. Great saddle for half the price of new. Ovation saddles are similar to Pessoa and manufactured in the same facilities as Pessoa. Great quality for a better price than Pessoa. Will ship quickly and securely!