This is a new ridden in once as a demo beautiful leather saddle -- size says 17 seat -- which this brand fits like a 16 seat. Love its light weight of only 22 lbs. Very comfortable saddle. Has a narrower twist. Details about this high quality saddle on doublediamond equine.com.Built on a Steele Saddle Draft Tree which is a wide flat shoulder for a full Bodied/round full developed shouldered quarter, a drafty shape Rocky Mountain or Fox Trotter, for that mutton withered horse with little to no dip. Not for an A shaped front end, the bar's flare is about 105 degrees up front. Purchase details:  Dec. 2016 Double Diamond Old Timer TEK leather saddle; wide “X” tree, seat size 16, pencil roll cantle, post horn wrapped, adjustable blevin buckle western rigging, leather side wrapped endurance stirrups.  Sold my horse before we got to use this gorgeous saddle. My loss your gain