This is a new ridden in once as a demo beautiful leather saddle -- size says 17 seat -- which this brand fits like a 16 seat. Love its light weight of only 22 lbs. Very comfortable saddle. Has a narrower twist. Details about this high quality saddle on doublediamond equine.com. Paid $1,549 plus shipping. Other places price a saddle like one for quiet a bit more. I had a really nice and quiet expensive saddle before this one which was very comfortable; but I felt so unstable when riding on it. This saddle has close contact where I could move with my horse and not feel like I was just bouncing around on top of him....... Sadly I sold my horse due to moving. My loss your gain. Built on a Steele Saddle Draft Tree which is a wide flat shoulder for a full Bodied/round full developed shouldered quarter, a drafty shape Rocky Mountain or Fox Trotter, for that mutton withered horse with little to no dip. Not for an A shaped front end, the bar's flare is about 105 degrees up front. Purchase details:  Dec. 2016 Double Diamond Old Timer TEK leather saddle; wide “X” tree, seat size 16, pencil roll cantle, post horn wrapped, adjustable blevin buckle western rigging, leather side wrapped endurance stirrups.